raj0690
Rookie
- 21 jan 2022
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Hello Motor Forum users,
(Sorry for the long post. Sorry for the post in English, I hope it is allowed. This is my first post on the forum - Moderators, please move it to appropriate location as needed. Thank you.)
I am looking to buy my first motorbike in the Netherlands as an expat. I moved here 3 years ago after having stayed in India, Italy, Liechtenstein and UK previously. In the past years, I have ridden a few bikes - Yamaha Fazer 150, Yamaha Tenere 660, Honda CB500x. I am now looking at buying a motorcycle and seek the forum users opinions / guidance on the below:
First the administrative stuff:
1. When I buy a motorbike from a dealer - then most dealers will transfer the bike to my name and only need my Citizen Service Number (BSN) and Driver's License. Is this correct?
2. If I buy from a private person - then how can I make the transfer? Is there a website where I can check costs for this process?
3. I have read about insurances and would want to choose an insurance with theft covered. Most companies need an ART4 or ART5 lock for theft protection. Some additionally require a chain to a wall anchor or an earth/immovable object.
3.1 When I am taking the bike out (for a visit to restaurant, a day trip, commute to office), then is having a ART4/5 disc lock enough for insurance requirements?
3.2 I have a few close friends where I stay the night often. In that case, I can park it in their front/back yard with a disk lock and a ART4/5 chain on the rear wheel. No fence in the front yard. In the backyard, the door is wooden and fence is partially wooden and partial brick (from the storage) and partial plants with the neighbour. Will these situations be accepted in insurance?
3.3 I assume that the locking requirement of the NL insurance does not change when traveling within EU. Is that correct? Also hoping the same for traveling to UK?
3.4 In which case is the 3 year zero depreciation insurance recommended?
4. Over and above the requirements for insurance, for my personal peace of mind against theft, will a ART4/5 disc lock and chain to an an earth object (ex.: a street lamp pole) be safe enough for day parking? And also for night parking? Is getting an alarm recommended? My landlord doesn't allow me to put a wall anchor. I am open to other suggestions.
Now coming to the interesting stuff
a. Budget 5500 Euros (a bit extendable)
b. I have a A category license.
c. I ride calmly most times. Red-lining in each gear is 25% of the time only. I like the corners a lot. And for my skill level, I prefer to have a light bike.
d. I understand that the enjoyable cornering roads are quite a ride away from Randstad. So that means quite a highway ride before actually starting there. On such rides I prefer motors with good torque to enjoy a relaxed ride at speed limits.
e. I would be riding 25% of the time with a pillion (incl. one long distance tour and some short city rides).
f. I am expecting to use the bike on dry days for office commute, day trips across NL, touring (multiple weekend trips and one or two 500km+ one way tours). Approx. 5500-6000km every year. I plan to keep the motorcycle for 3 years minimum.
g. I would prefer to not have a cruiser or ADV motor.
h. So far, I have shortlisted by looking at the occasions: Duke/RC 390, Ninja/Z 400, Ninja 650 / ER6F, Mt07
- Ninja650 / ER6F is on the outer limit of my weight but it would definitely be very comfortable on long journeys and good pulling power with a pillion.
- Mt07 is on the list due to the fantastic engine and low weight. But I have not seen any good occasions in my budget
Everything around 5500 euros has many KMs on the odometer. This almost pushes the Mt07 out of the list.
- Duke/RC 390, Ninja/Z 400 - From my search, it seems, these would be the best for lightweight fun as well as long distances in the saddle. Out of these options, my heart inclines the most to Ninja 400. But the occasions from dealers are nowhere to be seen. With a few hundred euros over my budget, a new Z400 sounds like a good proposition.
Questions:
(i) Am I missing any bikes in the shortlist?
(ii) Anyone with experience of 390 twins and/or 400 twins on long distance touring? With pillion?
(iii) How is the wind load at highway speeds on the Duke and Z400?
(iv) Anyone with riding experience on both Kawa and KTM can share experiences on the vibrations at highway speeds?
(v) Any suggestions on cornering abilities of the ER6F / Ninja 650? More importantly, how easy is it to upgrade my skills from cornering on a 390/400 to N650 considering the added weight and power/torque?
(vi) What should I check on the occasion engine? Apart from the usual - dents, scratches, tire wear, clutch and brake response, electricals.
(vii) Is there a way to find the KMs ridden? Similar to NAP check for cars.
(viii) What extra precaution should I take when buying from a private person?
(ix) Some dealers that I found worth checking out from occasion search, google reviews as well as those which have brand dealerships: Goedhart Motoren, Motoport (all locations), NIWA motors, MVM motors (2 locations), Arie Molenaar Motoren. More suggestions are welcome. Also, if you have good/bad experiences with any of the above, I am happy to hear.
(x) In general, how are the maintenance and spare part costs for Kawasaki, KTM, Yamaha in comparison to each other?
Thank you for your opinions, advice and time. Of course, if I missed to mention something, I am happy to answer.
cheers,
AJ
(Sorry for the long post. Sorry for the post in English, I hope it is allowed. This is my first post on the forum - Moderators, please move it to appropriate location as needed. Thank you.)
I am looking to buy my first motorbike in the Netherlands as an expat. I moved here 3 years ago after having stayed in India, Italy, Liechtenstein and UK previously. In the past years, I have ridden a few bikes - Yamaha Fazer 150, Yamaha Tenere 660, Honda CB500x. I am now looking at buying a motorcycle and seek the forum users opinions / guidance on the below:
First the administrative stuff:
1. When I buy a motorbike from a dealer - then most dealers will transfer the bike to my name and only need my Citizen Service Number (BSN) and Driver's License. Is this correct?
2. If I buy from a private person - then how can I make the transfer? Is there a website where I can check costs for this process?
3. I have read about insurances and would want to choose an insurance with theft covered. Most companies need an ART4 or ART5 lock for theft protection. Some additionally require a chain to a wall anchor or an earth/immovable object.
3.1 When I am taking the bike out (for a visit to restaurant, a day trip, commute to office), then is having a ART4/5 disc lock enough for insurance requirements?
3.2 I have a few close friends where I stay the night often. In that case, I can park it in their front/back yard with a disk lock and a ART4/5 chain on the rear wheel. No fence in the front yard. In the backyard, the door is wooden and fence is partially wooden and partial brick (from the storage) and partial plants with the neighbour. Will these situations be accepted in insurance?
3.3 I assume that the locking requirement of the NL insurance does not change when traveling within EU. Is that correct? Also hoping the same for traveling to UK?
3.4 In which case is the 3 year zero depreciation insurance recommended?
4. Over and above the requirements for insurance, for my personal peace of mind against theft, will a ART4/5 disc lock and chain to an an earth object (ex.: a street lamp pole) be safe enough for day parking? And also for night parking? Is getting an alarm recommended? My landlord doesn't allow me to put a wall anchor. I am open to other suggestions.
Now coming to the interesting stuff
a. Budget 5500 Euros (a bit extendable)
b. I have a A category license.
c. I ride calmly most times. Red-lining in each gear is 25% of the time only. I like the corners a lot. And for my skill level, I prefer to have a light bike.
d. I understand that the enjoyable cornering roads are quite a ride away from Randstad. So that means quite a highway ride before actually starting there. On such rides I prefer motors with good torque to enjoy a relaxed ride at speed limits.
e. I would be riding 25% of the time with a pillion (incl. one long distance tour and some short city rides).
f. I am expecting to use the bike on dry days for office commute, day trips across NL, touring (multiple weekend trips and one or two 500km+ one way tours). Approx. 5500-6000km every year. I plan to keep the motorcycle for 3 years minimum.
g. I would prefer to not have a cruiser or ADV motor.
h. So far, I have shortlisted by looking at the occasions: Duke/RC 390, Ninja/Z 400, Ninja 650 / ER6F, Mt07
- Ninja650 / ER6F is on the outer limit of my weight but it would definitely be very comfortable on long journeys and good pulling power with a pillion.
- Mt07 is on the list due to the fantastic engine and low weight. But I have not seen any good occasions in my budget
Everything around 5500 euros has many KMs on the odometer. This almost pushes the Mt07 out of the list.- Duke/RC 390, Ninja/Z 400 - From my search, it seems, these would be the best for lightweight fun as well as long distances in the saddle. Out of these options, my heart inclines the most to Ninja 400. But the occasions from dealers are nowhere to be seen. With a few hundred euros over my budget, a new Z400 sounds like a good proposition.
Questions:
(i) Am I missing any bikes in the shortlist?
(ii) Anyone with experience of 390 twins and/or 400 twins on long distance touring? With pillion?
(iii) How is the wind load at highway speeds on the Duke and Z400?
(iv) Anyone with riding experience on both Kawa and KTM can share experiences on the vibrations at highway speeds?
(v) Any suggestions on cornering abilities of the ER6F / Ninja 650? More importantly, how easy is it to upgrade my skills from cornering on a 390/400 to N650 considering the added weight and power/torque?
(vi) What should I check on the occasion engine? Apart from the usual - dents, scratches, tire wear, clutch and brake response, electricals.
(vii) Is there a way to find the KMs ridden? Similar to NAP check for cars.
(viii) What extra precaution should I take when buying from a private person?
(ix) Some dealers that I found worth checking out from occasion search, google reviews as well as those which have brand dealerships: Goedhart Motoren, Motoport (all locations), NIWA motors, MVM motors (2 locations), Arie Molenaar Motoren. More suggestions are welcome. Also, if you have good/bad experiences with any of the above, I am happy to hear.
(x) In general, how are the maintenance and spare part costs for Kawasaki, KTM, Yamaha in comparison to each other?
Thank you for your opinions, advice and time. Of course, if I missed to mention something, I am happy to answer.
cheers,
AJ
. Personally, I think I will have to buy a used bike for my budget. However, if I get a 6/12 month warranty then I have some peace of mind. 
they expect no trade-ins for now and will have the 2023 models only in June-July).
. Still before the real season begins)
